1964-65: Leave it to Some Grossmont Gym Rats

The best teams could be very disappointing, which is why a group of pickup-playing hoopsters almost stole the show.

Eight Grossmont High students, with blistered feet, sore arms and legs, and with a burning desire to  get home and sleep, claimed a record for the longest game, ever.

Basketball historians would argue the point, but not in San Diego County, where there is no recorded proof of anything matching the 15-hour effort of a pair of four-man teams.

Sophomore Oscar Foster became the next great San Diego High player.

The group started playing at 6 a.m. and staggered to a 9 p.m. conclusion with only a two-minute break each hour and 15 minutes for lunch.

A team led by Larry Schweer, the only player with varsity experience, defeated the squad led by game organizer Rich Marian, 1,962 to 1,652.

Schweer, joined by Rich Smith, Larry Strong, and John Sherman, led all scorers with 615 points.  Marian’s team included Steve Lee, Jeff Shaw, and Bob Fleming.

Barry Carr of the Grossmont faculty and several Grossmont coeds kept score.

CAVERS PREVAIL

San Diego High emerged as the AA division champion and the fourth Eastern League team in the San Diego Section’s five years, and favored Crawford vanished in the first round.

The Cavemen, as they still were often called, claimed their first section title since the 1935-36 team marched through the Southern California playoffs.

San Diego’s 24 victories were sullied by eight defeats, some not close.

There was a 60-43 loss to Burbank Burroughs, which featured future UCLA and L.A. Lakers star Lynn Schackelford during the Cavers’ and Hoover’s annual December jousts with schools from the Los Angeles-area Foothill League.

Hoover ousted the Cavers, 55-41, in the San Diego Kiwanis Tournament.

San Diego won a couple games in the San Bernardino Kiwanis event but they were sandwiched between emphatic knockouts of 77-55 to Compton Centennial and 65-48 to Victorville Victor Valley.

They lost twice to Eastern League champion Crawford, 66-54, and 64-62.

And there was a late-season, 47-44 stinker to Morse, which would finish 1-9 in the East and 4-16 overall.

THEY CATCH FIRE

San Diego tied Hoover (14-9) with a 7-3, second-place record and was forced into a league playoff which they survived, beating the Cardinals, 47-40.

The Cavers hit their stride in the postseason behind 6-foot, 6-inch super sophomore Oscar Foster, 6-7 Richard Mills, 6-2 Jerry Eucce, 6-2 Brent Strom, and 5-11 Clarence Calvin.

San Diego dumped Monte Vista (20-8), 59-44, Castle Park (23-7), 56-37, and Chula Vista (21-5), 62-40.

Spartans coach Larry Armbrust was taken aback by the Cavers’ length and size.

“I didn’t realize how big they were until our boys got out there beside them,” said Armbrust, who became the first to play and coach in a section championship game, having starred for the ‘51-‘52 Chula Vista team that won a Southern Section small schools title.

“Every time I looked up to shoot there was a hand in my face,” said Charlie Porter, probably that of Foster or Mills, who led San Diego with 24 points and 10 rebounds.

Mills scored 65 points in the three playoffs, three points less than the record set by Grossmont’s Dick Baker in 1962.

San Diego coach Bill Standly surprised the Spartans when the Cavers came out in a zone defense.  “We just went over it this morning and again before the game,” said Standly.  “We’d never used it.”

IT’S BASKETBALL NOW

Strom, who would form with Foster the nucleus of the 1965-66 squad, was  a future San Diego Section baseball player of the year, all-America at USC, and longtime major league pitcher and pitching coach.

But the stylish lefthander declared, “I won’t be able to think about baseball.  I can’t keep my mind of basketball.  This was the biggest thrill of my life.”

COLTS: WHA’ HAPPENED?

Crawford rolled to a 9-1 Eastern League championship (only loss, 54-52, to Hoover) by two games and took a 22-3 record into the playoffs as the preferred team.

Bob Boone, whose dad was a standout at Hoover a generation before, was Colts’ leader.

The Colts were sent packing in the first round, 70-56, by 14-9 La Jolla, apparently so shocked by its victory that the Vikings forgot where they were, blown out, 74-59, in the semifinals by Chula Vista and 65-49 by Castle Park in the third place game.

The Colts’ only other local setback (they also lost to North Torrance, 59-54, in quarterfinals of the Covina Tournament) was an early-season, 63-56 decision to El Capitan that wasn’t was stunning as first appeared.  Long dormant El Cap finished 19-9, made the playoffs, and featured junior Gary Schneider, who averaged 20.2 points a game.

Crawford’s record for the last three seasons was 71-15.  Coach Jim Sams and his school had taken the mantel from Hoover as the city’s most successful team but it had been eliminated in the playoffs the last two years.

Von Jacobsen, a 6-4 junior and 6-3 senior Bob Boone kept Crawford in front most of the time and they waged a battle for the league scoring championship.

Jacobsen scored 198 points and Boone 197 in the 10-game league race.  Jacobsen was ninth in the County with 445 points and a 17.8 average in 25 games.  Boone scored 440 points in 26 games for a 16.9 average.

—Boone scored 33 points and Jacobsen 31 as Crawford outscored Mission Bay, 108-89, nullifying the 27 by the Bucs’ 6-foot, 10-inch Mike Kinkki and 24 by Larry Weddle.

—-Crawford and Mission Bay tied the record for most points by two teams. Monte Vista and Granite Hills combined for 197 points in the Monarchs’ 120-77 win over the Eagles in 1963-64.

Mission Bay’s Mike Kinkki made late run to capture scoring title with 601 points.

KINKKI PULLS AWAY

Mission Bay’s Mike Kinkki averaged 24.3 points in his last 10 games and won the scoring title with 601 points and 21.5 average, narrowly edging Sweetwater’s Jim Finnerty, who averaged 21.3.

Kinkki began his run with a school-record 34 points in an 83-66 victory over Madison after averaging 19.9 points in the first 18 games.

A total of 34 players scored at least 300 points.  The  numbers in parenthesis in the table indicates the leaders in scoring average:

Kinkki Mission Bay 28 601 21.5 (1)
Schneider El Capitan 28 566 20.2 (4)
Finnerty Sweetwater 26 554 21.3 (2)
Carson Escondido 26 536 20.6 (3)
Roberson Monte Vista 28 544 19.4 (5)
Jackson Castle Park 28 500 17.9 (7)
Stress University 25 461 18.4 (6)
Foster San Diego 31 457 14.7
Jacobsen Crawford 25 445 17.8 (8)
Boone Crawford 26 440 16.9
Stone Point Loma 28 436 15.6
Weddle Mission Bay 27 432 16.0
Howe Grossmont 25 428 17.1
Mills San Diego 30 428 14.3
Gilmore Mar Vista 26 422 16.2
Walters La Jolla 26 412 15.8
Dobransky St. Augustine 22 380 17.3 (10)
Christopher Oceanside 25 370 14.8
Strom San Diego 29 361 12.4
Bailey Helix 25 354 14.2
Padgett Monte Vista 25 350 14.0
Floyd Coronado 21 338 16.1
Martin Clairemont 20 330 16.5
Burton Chula Vista 26 322 12.4
Pietila Sweetwater 26 322 12.4
McCoy La Jolla 25 318 12.7
Heckendorn Vista 22 313 14.2
Duke Carlsbad 20 312 15.6
Spencer Madison 26 310 11.9
Thayer Carlsbad 20 309 15.5
Wilson Orange Glen 23 307 13.3
Klostermann El Capitan 278 306 12.7
Fleming San Dieguito 232 305 13.2
Conte San Miguel 17 301 17.7 (9)

POINTS CONTINUE TO RISE

Sixty points in one game still was regarded as excellent offense as recently as 10 years before, but there were six teams this season that averaged that much.

Mission Bay was the leader at 64.8, followed by Crawford (63.9), Chula Vista (63.8), Ramona (63.2), Carlsbad (62.2), and St. Augustine (61.1).

Class AA champion San Diego was not in the top 10 in offense or defense, averaging 56.2 on offense and was 11th in defense, averaging 48.7.

Chula Vista’s Ron Matela, hounded by El Capitan’s Mike Maxwell (51) and Gary Schneider, keeps  eyes on the basket, despite losing his glasses in Spartans’ 73-68 playoff win.

LEAGUE SCORING

The Eastern League scoring race between Crawford’s Von Jacobsen and Bob Boone was not unique.

Coronado’s Stan Stress outpointed Oceanside’s Bill Christopher, 171-170, in 10 Avocado League games.

The gag shot (below) of referee Mel Ellison “threatening” to put Grossmont coach Locke Olson in a seat belt was to illustrate a new rule.

The CIF legislated that coaches could receive a technical foul for leaving the bench to argue an official’s call.

Olson, one of the more voluble of his brethren, was a good candidate for The San Diego Union photo.

Olson had to sit back and watch as the Foothillers were trounced by Crawford, 64-37.

Referee Mel Ellison told Grossmont coach Locke Olson he could be locked to the bench.

MILKE’S QUICK SUCCESS

George (Bud) Milke, who never had a starter taller than 6-4 in 10 mostly successful (148-118) seasons at Mar Vista, surprised Metropolitan League rivals by taking first-year Castle Park to the playoffs.

The Trojans tied Mar Vista (16-9) for second place, each with an 8-4 league record, and earned the postseason bid with a 39-37 victory over the Mariners.

Bud retired from the high school ranks but coached nine more years at Southwestern College in Chula Vista.

The father and uncle of Sweetwater’s three-sport star and sharpshooter Jim Finnerty were stars at the school in the 1930s.

JUMP SHOTS

San Dieguito (19-9) claimed the Class A title, 61-53 over Carlsbad (17-4), which lost for the second season in a row…Helix’ 18-game winning streak extending back to 1963-64 was snapped by La Jolla, 65-52…Helix had ended La Jolla’s 30-game run in the 1963-64 finals…La Jolla had won 35 of 36 before bowing to San Diego, 43-42, on Jerry Eucce’s layup with :18 left…the Vikings suffered their first Western League loss in 13 games since February, 1963, when Mission Bay, behind Mike Kinkki’s 22 points and 23 rebounds won, 60-55…small schools game of the year?  Try Julian’s 66-60, overtime victory against San Miguel after a 56-56 deadlock in regulation…Carl Conte’s 33 points for the Knights (5-12) couldn’t overcome the 24 by Rich Linton and 22 by Kevin Teter for the Eagles (8-5)…The Southern League’s La Jolla Country Day (1-11) and San Diego Military (13-4) had a nonleague encounter…the Military Falcons won, 57-28, behind Rubin Valenzuela’s 29 points…19 area teams competed in six post-Christmas tournaments…Mission Bay emerged as the only champion, 58-51 over Playa del Rey St. Bernard in the San Dieguito Mustang Optimist event….

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0 thoughts on “1964-65: Leave it to Some Grossmont Gym Rats

  1. Hi, Rick. Been a while for me to check in w/ you on basketball in the 60’s. Can you please forward this to my good pal from Hilltop, Terry Maple..

    Hey, Terry, really made me happy to read your comments on growing up in CV and play against some fine athletes of our day ( what I’m doing on that list I’m not sure, but thank you.) Our brothers, Brian and Fred sure set a high bar for us little brothers to follow.

    Loved your mention of 2 things in particular in your past postings, the Chula Vista Pony League All-Star battles between North and South every summer, and the nail-biting basketball contests of the Metro League that Castle Park joined our senior year. (Btw, does anyone out there have the 63-64 All Metro teams? )

    P.S. Rick, you mentioned the SDS team that lost in triple ot against Ill. St.—OUCH—in the nat’l playoffs. I was the back-up point guard and had we won, I could have been telling my grandkids how, for a few min. I “guarded” the great Earl Monroe, who would have been our foe the next night. NOBODY ever guarded Earl Monroe in college, 40+ ppg at Winston-Salem)

  2. I played on all-star PONY league teams with Dave Olmsted and John Jackson and I have great memories of battles with Chula Vista and Mar Vista in all sports. Olmsted was an outstanding all-around athlete. We both had older brothers who starred at CV High School. I think Coach Milke appreciated my play in basketball as I had my best games against his Mar Vista and Castle Park teams. So many wonderful families; the Milkes, the Olmsteds, the Finnertys and many others.

  3. I was on the 66 team started wit Richard Mates, Blain Bundy,jim Finney and Doug Boyd. We finished 10th in the county that year, i broke my ankle and missed a major part of the season.

      1. Jack was a nifty guard on the San Diego State teams I covered in the mid-‘sixties. Thanks for writing.

  4. ​Hi, Rick,

    In a recent mailing from you about CIF basktball of 1963-64, you had a brief mention of local talent that played on the great San Diego St. team of 1967 ( Top 10 nat’l ranking). As a member of that team , please allow me to add a few names to the list of local talent who “stayed home to play” :Rick Eveleth ( La Jolla), “Burly” Bob Lundgren ( Granite Hills ) and Bill Ennis and David Olmsted, both of Chula Vista .

    Another thing about that yr.—to the chagrin of my friend from Helix, Al Skalecky— is that Helix won the CIF w/ a 28-1 (?) record , its lone loss coming at the hands of Chula Vista, who won a tight gm. at Helix in the 3rd gm. of the season 45-39 ( CVHS yearbook)

    1 more thing about this group : Skalecky, Eveleth, Miller, and Olmsted were all starters on the 1964-5 freshman team, the most successful frosh team in SDS history w/ a record of 18-3. (SDS yearbook).

    Love reading your articles on the history of CIF sports.

    Sincerely,

    David Olmsted , CVHS ’64.

    1. Helix was 26-4 that season. Your freshman coach must have been Carl Benton, the Kentucky colonel, who played for UCLA in the 1947 Rose Bowl. I covered the Aztecs’ triple overtime loss to Illinois State in the NCAA College Division tournament at Evansville, Ind. A member of the Ilinois State team was Steve Fisher, future coach at San Diego State. Those q’s. I can’t get rid of them.

  5. Rick -I just sent a comment to you using your email about a comment I sent to you a wk. ago. Did you get that, or do I have to use this box to post? ( My name below has a line of q’s behind it , but I can’t erase them. Help? I drag and hilite, but nothing happens when I hit “delete.)

  6. I remember that the El Cap coach (Don Garcia) was fit to be tied after the playoff loss to Chula Vista. He complained that the refs had allowed CV players to hang all over Gary Schneider all night. Gary went on to star at Santana the next year but separate injuries to his ankle and hand kept him on the bench for several games and the Santana team was an also ran in the Grossmont League that year.

    1. Thanks for writing, Ted. El Cap and Chula Vista had a tight gamwe, CV winning, 73-68. I wasn’t there, so I didn’t know of Garcia’s comments. But that season was El Cap’s best sicne the school opened.

    2. Yea that’s true I played on the El Cap team 65 to 66. We beat Helix last game of the season. In the cif playoffs we got the Caver and lost later it was found out they played a an ineligible player who was almost 21 yrs old.

  7. Mike Milke – Bud’s # 2 Son! Sure Love Reading These “Archaic Articles” And Can’t Thank You Enough- Going To Send This To John Jackson who Played For My Dad at Castle Park & Southwestern JC & Also Replaced Big Bud asCoach At SC When My Dad Retired! Never Knew JJ was A Scorer – He Was A Helluva Rebounder & Defender At 6’1”!!

    1. I’ve met John Jackson. I think he is a cousin to Ferdie Reed, who played at St. Augustine and in pro ball. Thanks for writing again, Mike.

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